Whitson though is mentioned in literature on the web as being at least associated with the CIA. ONeill got a lot of help for his book from Stephen Kay. There is more to his background, but I skip to Aug. 9, 1969. As I said on the other blog, the other day I hate Bittaker with a passion. 2.2K 327 EntertainmentNo1123 5 days ago hbbd```b`` WA$#. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. It's a natural conclusion to draw the he was probably watching Cielo for Folger and became friends with the group for that reason. 8. The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime He befriended me and he was definitely a man with a violent past, and I suspect a rather dangerous past. One correction grimtraveller.When took Charles Mansonbt that "construction site," and later went to The Fireside Inn to hear him play & sing, I had just turned 18 years old, not 19 years old.Oh brother, these senior moments are becoming more & more frequent.GESHLOL Mario George Nitrini 111------The OJ Simpson Case. "I agree. That is a great question, Katie. C'mon Grim, you know better.And for my legal reasons and MORE, I comment & blog a certain way.So, with that said, I hope you & your family are doing well Grim.And yes, you have defended me in the past(Thank you).Mario George Nitrini 111----The OJ Simpson Case. I spot them right away. There was no reason to send him back.until there was.Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prisonClearly that is not true. Krenwinkel did not see the flag on the couch. ZLR 694 belonged to Sharon's CamaroI'm generally pretty unforgiving of errors in books and it's even more annoying when I happen to know the info that is wrong. Ridgway is another scumbag who will never adequately pay for his crimes, that is unless he gets tied to some murders here in Portland. He also confirmed a detail from Ed Sanders The Family that Melcher had let him borrow his Jaguar for the long drive to Ukiah.So Buglisois timeline was wrong and Melcher lied to me. I have to confess to a certain amusement at the personages you drag out to lend credence to your theories of the moment. After reading Chaos, I find Wilson to be a very compelling figure in the Manson case. We know that Moorehouse was convicted in 1991 of "lewd and lascivious acts on a child under 14." His lead investigator was a man (allegedly) named Reeve Whitson, who the CIA said they could neither confirm nor deny he ever worked for them. According to the manuscript, Helder told Whitson to cozy up to anyone who knew Frykowskis suppliers, especially those in Mama Casss circleDoesn't this contradict your belief though ? (For his part, in an interview with Mr.Hatami while researching this book, Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col.Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi. According to Statman's book (I think that's where I read it), Doris told Sharon to get rid of that flag because if Paul Tate saw it he'd hit the roof. Extensive research and a slew of FOIA requests did not produce a smoking gun or much beyond the shadowy, ill-explained presence around these events of Reeve Whitson, an alleged "intelligence operative." O'Neill also examines the CIA program MKULTRA, which may have gotten him closer to his goalbut not much. ), Whitsons wife (not exactly an objective witness), Linda Ruby a cousin of Whitsons (again, not objective), 2 detectives working on the TLB case who are desperate to find ANY motive in a case that appears to have none EXCEPT drugs and robbery, and a British film director claiming Whitson had "very good connections with LASO" along with thousands of other people in LA, If the FBI or CIA allowed the murders of 5 adults and one full term unborn baby to happen while supposedly surveilling the scene there would be an uprising in this country the likes of which haven't been seen since the Civil War. When Reeve starting working for the CIA is unknown. They were connected to Ed Durston, boyfriend of Diane Linkletter. I wouldn't base any findings on what she says. Now, you'll know from past exchanges that I don't take what you have to say with any seriousness, not because I'm disinterested in what you say, but because you continually dangle but don't deliver. There's one part of Whitson's story that makes no sense to me. Review: CHAOS - Charles Manson, the CIA and the Secret History of the Chapter 11 - Mind Control; Chapter 10 - The Haight-Ashbury Free Medical Clinic; Chapter 9 - Manson's Get-Out-of-Jail-Free Card; Chapter 8 - The Lawyer Swap; Chapter 7 - Neutralizing the Left; Chapter 6 - Who Was . Read up on their history. But you can get some meaty details right here. Thus some tainted drug had to be given to them. According to Bugliosi, p. 85, the time was between 7:30 and 8:00. Not now, however. I saw footage of Manson the other day claiming he'd gone up to the Tate house before Chapman arrived to "see what my children had done." The Hatami incident would not have taken on such magnitude for them {other than the fact that Bugliosi tried to use it to establish that Manson had seen Tate and vice versa} if Tex and Charlie had been such regular visitors while a Family accolyte actually lived there. It seems that every time someone new "writes a book" they come up with all kinds of things that have never been thought of. Or Sonny Reevwhit.Or Reevie Sonwhit. What mystery within a mystery gnaws at you the most? Also Mon I think Whitson might be the truest character in O'Neill's book, but I think people are going to throw the baby out with the water on this one. He got a call at 7 a.m. on Aug. 9, 1969 from an acquaintance named Reeve Whitson, whom Hatami described as a "mystery man." O'Neill found this characterization was universal among Whitson's. These papers are in the Eisenhower Presidential Library in Abeliene, Kansas. The Zodiac Killer and the CIA An agent for the Central Intelligence Agency moved into a dairy and cotton farming community of 4500 people situated within the San Joaquin Valley of California. He is asked why he did not revoke Manson's probation earlier and he explains why. Bugliosi had covered up for Terry Melcher during the trial. Just read Joseph Trento's book, SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA.Reeve Whitson was involved with the TLB case. But I've got my eye on you. I can honestly say, I'm very glad I never found out.And as Manson being a musician & singer? I don't advocate people calling you names as has happened on this and another site and in fact, as you know, I defend you on that. None of them saw the scene in the daylight and none of them saw the place again after they'd left Cielo. The funniest thing is "Whitson" knows about the murders a full hour before Chapman and who is the first person he tells? Has anyone ever heard of it?Yes, excerps were in the book by Alyssa Statman and Bree Tate. And whenever this 'someone' is challenged to back up whatever cryptic utterances they gush forth, they just utter more of the same and bring in other cases not remotely connected.Yeah, I'm sceptical !So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? When he said it, it seemed credible. Studying Scarlet: True Crime: Ep 39 - Apple Podcasts I have the trial transcripts and Rudi Altobelli confirms the dates of who moved in and out and when and who was in the main and guest houses between Melcher's departure and the Polanskis arrival. They weren't even in the same vicinity while True lived at the house next door.And personally, I wouldn't read O'Neill's book unless someone bought it for me and gave it to me. When they got to Cielos gate, he started asking weird questions about the cars in the lots. He was driving a VW van. I can't say if that means anything with regard to conspiracy or governmental involvement, but parole violations require neither crime nor conviction. Melcher moved out in January '69 and the day after he moved out, Moorehouse was sent to prison for selling acid ~ he'd been found guilty on Dec 17th '68.Vera: Where'd ya learn that, Grim? I won't accept something just because someone says it. What ONeill said was that Whitsons name appeared four times, all during Hatamis testimony. When you have what Hatami testified and what Bugliosi testified regarding Hatamis testimony and gather these statements together under the aggregate phrase Hatamis testimony, then you can see that ONeill was not careless in how he represented his source. This whole ONeill book thing is a collection of tin hat conspiracy bullshitThat, Dave, is being pretty generous.It sounds like Shreck writ large but without the 900+ pages. Moorehouse said hed lived at Cielo off and on throughout the summer of 68, when Melcher was there. If the man had any relationship with the US government, he'd have had health coverage. In the case of Sharon's car, it didn't really matter because the book came out 3 years after the perps were convicted, 5 years after the crime was solved. CIA was all over the first famous killer, Manson, like flies on shit. My desire is to share info about Whitson and my friend's father to discover the alias her father was using back then. [3] During World War II he enlisted in the . The Zodiac Killer and the CIA - Zodiac Killer Identified As anybody who has been within shouting distance of me over the past 2 years know, I consider Tom O'Neill's CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, the Secret Histor. And that was after he'd already been mentioned by VB.He said it was Reeve who brought him to Bugliosi during the investigationVery interesting the way you put that. Reeve Whitson? In fact, it's Bugliosi that brings out the fact that Whitson was with Hatami and his part in all the proceedings is as relevant as any flies that may have been in the office at the time. More on Reeve Whitson - Zodiac Killer Identified She knew that the others were making fun of the flag, of the establishment. Well, the obvious question to me would be "why would he be talking about a race war to a complete stranger in January of 1969 ?" ", Another one of Ed Sanders mysterious names with stories too interesting to be true, animal sacrifices, human sacrifices, porn movies filmed of the family at some Malibu mansion, Susan drinking blood and pooping on stairwells, Charlie biting through umbilical cord, blah, blah, blah, The Family is more a work of fiction than Lord of the Rings. Oddly, he frequently took his daughter with him on these flights. He began the process around the start of Oct '69, a couple of weeks before Manson was arrested at Barker Ranch {for something unrelated}. Anybody on parole would be arrested immediately and sent back to prison. ", Lol "an impressive list of witnesses who vouch for him", all I see is one firmer film company president saying only "he knew about the Manson case", "Richard and Rita Edlund" whoever the fuck they were, Neil Cummings "a lawyer friend" of Whitsons (again WOW!! What I would prefer mr oneill to do is to line item compare ALLL OF THE PROSECUTORIAL BS BOGEYLOSER PUT FORTH BY PUTTING OUT ANOTHER BOOK USING REAL PROCEDURALS FOUND IN COURT (WESTLAW IS BONO FIDE) ALLOWING THE REAAL STUDIOUS TO JUDGE OR ANALYSE FOR THEMSELVES, BECAUSE IF YOURE AT ALL SWAYED IN THE LEAST BY "HELTER SKELTER" YOU ARENT VERY INTUITIVE ANYWAY. He GAVE his daughter to Manson. "pg193Whitson's wife, Ellen Josefson: "He was working for the CIA""He(Whitson) said that his mother and Sharon Tate's mother were close" she said.pg196Linda Ruby, cousin to Whitson: "He(Whitson's father) knew that Reeve had planned to visit the Cielo house the night before"pg199FBI agent Roger "Frenchie" LaJeunesse: "Reeve Whitson was a part of putting the book together, the linchpin between all of us. What can anyone remember about a place they went yesterday, and I mean detail specific ? The Manson Family Blog - Tate LaBianca Murders - TLB - True Crime Frankly, if I was afraid of any comeback, I wouldn't even be getting involved in an on~line discussion that anyone in the world with an internet connection could chance upon. Grim said Another, more serious, error in HS, p. 49, is that it gives the license plate of Parent's car as ZLR 694. View the profiles of people named Reeve Whitson on Facebook. April or March, I don't remember the exact month Q:And was that the first time that you had spoken with this witness?A:YesQDid you direct that he be present at your office at a particular time?A:YesQ And how did you do so? Grim said,The most immediate thing to notice is that Hatami only mentions Whitson once and even then, only because he's asked who he came to Bugliosi's office with. Is there a pic with the couch with a flag?I can look, but I have to say, I'm just exhausted and will retire for the night.And don't nobody say "yeah". Scares the shit out of me to think of it. And this has been going on since the start of 2017. Friday, September 6, 2019 Reeve Whitson William writes: In Tom O'Neill's book Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties we learn about Reeve Whitson, a CIA agent disguised as a hippie. The police report mentioned above said that Dareff was at the house to deal in drugs.I bring this up because I believe the occupants in the house were given lethargy-inducing drugs to reduce their will to resist, perhaps LSD tainted with an animal tranquillizer. And besides, eventually, his officer did begin steps to revoke and when he did, it was for things that could actually be proven and made to stick. No way this guy was just there to watch. The one thing the alternatives have in common, if you bring them to a logical conclusion is.Charlie isn't ultimately responsible ! A little known fact is that Reeve Whitson was involved in the push to make a street legal version of the GT40, otherwise known as the Mark III GT40. What I'm getting at is that so many people have said so many things over the years and so often, information has been confused, mis-stated, misconstrued and people have projected something as fact when there has been no evidence to support it or any finding of proof. Charles Manson Case - Who Was Reeve Whitson? - YouTube I wonder if some of you are so dismissive because your default position is to be skeptical, so you're not actually letting the information in. He was never convicted of anything that was deemed to be serious enough to have him put back in the years '67~'69. Whenever I went over to Sharon's and I'd see the flag there, I'd tell her it wasn't right. He was very, very helpful. Extracting Reeve Whitson from this fermentan agent of actual chaos working hard in the shadows of Bugliosi's drug-crazed Helter Skelter psychodramaconstitutes a heroic act of sleuthing.. Mon Durphy said"Winifred testified that the flag was on the couch THE DAYS LEADING UP TO THE MURDERS AND THE DAY OF"Where did she say that? I'm not getting that from Helter Skelter, I'm getting that from Candace Bergen's auto-bio. Sometimes, it's actually worth following theories to a logical conclusion. Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." ONeill also was given access to never-before-seen documents showing that DeCarlo said that Melcher made three visits to Spahn Ranch after the murders and spoke with Manson. He's never going to be executed but hopefully he will suffer a long painful death. I have these numbers from ONeills book in reference to Hatami and Whitson: 22239, 144483, 14508, 14542, 14554. It was very tempting to engage in some of the posts, especially with Destroyer of Opinions. The following book about the Nazis, published in 1961 shows this fact on page 1 where the title and name of Reeve Whitson appears. Whitson could have gone into the house after Manson and his partner left, perhaps to perform necessary but mundane tasks such as removing bugs from the telephone and/or other places before the police arrivedAnd got in a quick call to Hatami !Well, for 50 years, we've had a sackful of those that were "supposed" to be at Cielo that night. Whether he still worked for the CIA, who knows. He had a reason to believe something weird was about to happen at the [Tate] house. His daughter is a Bluebird survivor and her memories are returning in fractured pieces. Reeve Whitson Profiles - Facebook "Hatami told me he has no memory at all of Manson coming to the front door of Cielo Drive, but that the memory was suggested to him by an investigator named Reeve Whitson, who worked for both Col. Paul Tate and the prosecutor Vince Bugliosi." The only reference to a Reeve Whitson online is to a CIA operative active in central America in the '80s. In a Rolling Stone article, Paul Krassner wrote, "I had hoped to get confirmation of the heaviest lead in my research. This will always be among the alternatives greatest weakness ~ plus the sheer number allied with the non existence of hard corroborative evidence. What is the general opinion of Robert Linkletter as a suspect? My opinion was Charles Manson was not very good at all.So, does my Twitter inter-action with George Christie mean nothing to you? It had been there ever since Voityck and Gibby (Abigail Folger) moved in. Grim saidSanders is right.The first Tate homicide report states exactly what Sanders says in your quote. And did he not usually have permission for the few occasions he travelled out of state ? IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT YOURE A POSER. The Tate-LaBianca Homicide Research Blog: Reeve Whitson And then there was the investigation he helped Col. Tate conduct. Took me 20 years but I wrote a book about what y'all know as - Reddit All the other times he is mentioned by Bugliosi.Thanks, Grim, for giving us the testimony. William Weston said Hatami also told ONeill that he first heard about the murders from Reeve. Grim said"Ask yourself what it logically means to have "witnesses that vouch for Whitson's presence in the scene." I'm currently reading it and it is fantastic, notwithstanding the spelling and punctuation errors and wrong dates here and there. In the Sanders book that I have it says Hearst delivered the bike between 6.30 and 7.30 which, according to Hearst is accurate as he testified arriving "about 7.00pm" and left "about 7.20. Some sources report that Susan Atkins didn't do any stabbing that she called upon Tex to do it for her. It seems like a lot of cases have a central question and a bunch of smaller ones. LOL. While I'm impressed by the civility here, it surprises me that so many people are dismissive of Reeve Wilson's role. I agree Beauders. William Weston said "according to the Marie Vigil letters, the man who left the eyeglasses was Robert Linkletter. She was probably 3 sheets to the wind at the time. Join Facebook to connect with Reeve Whitson and others you may know. O'Neill also quotes the LAPD's Lt. Helder, who refers to Whitson in the book "Five Down at Cielo Dr" under a pseudonym "Walter Kern," confirmed by LaJeunesse. I'm almost endlessly fascinated by the number of people who seem to have made it their life's mission to discount the overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that for the most part, things were as they were shown to be. Virtually all of the info I've dug up about Whitson parallels what my friend remembers with the exception of Whitson's family ties. Private Investigator Reeve Whitson CIA? And life just gets more better and more clearer! About the same time, the dogkeeper William Garretson, arrived back at the guest house, transported by hippies in a van who gave him a ride from Sunset Boulevard. William I think Doris saw that flag on the couch a couple of days before the murders. This cannot be correct. He'd been talking to Gregg Jacobson about a race war {known then as "the shit is coming down" but it was very general} since they first met in May of '68. 7 Mind-Blowing Things We Learned From Joe Rogan's Charles Manson Your own personal encyclopedia or something you had published? Robert Linkletter and Reeve Whitson - ProBoards It might have been more accurate to say that Hatami said the name once and Bugliosi said it three times, but I don't see how O'Neill could have put that in his text without appearing overly pedantic. Well we don't really know Whitson's story at the source. And it just so happens to be from a case that has given rise to so many alternative theories and conspiracies and not a great deal of consensus about anything. I don't care for twitter interaction. Note the characters involved.FITZGERALD:Are you in charge of the prosecution of the case of People vs. Manson, et al? I'm pretty sure the last time Doris was in the house was for the watching of the moon landing but I do remember her saying it was there though I highly doubt it was upside down like the pics from Aug 9 show, I can't imagine that would be too cool with Col Paul lol, Just as a general statement regarding the killers you have to take into account that BY THEIR OWN ADMISSION they took HUNDREDS of trips on hallucinogenic drugs in addition to smoking marijuana daily, these people are bound to forget various things that most look at as things that are mere footnotes such as what piece of furniture was where, who said what first, where the flag was, what time it was, etc, etc.
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